Updates on Laurel (and other stuff): December 2007

 
More or less as posted on the November '00 Playgroup or the "Over 35 and Hitting Our Stride" board on Network54
 
December 1, 2007 (10:59 AM)

We found out yesterday that September 2006 dossiers are out of the review room! So we have presumably passed muster as adoptive parents for a little girl from China and if we can just endure the loooong wait, we will get her. If only they weren't averaging referring one week's worth of dossiers per month, and there are 40 weeks between where they are now and us! Still hanging in there for now...it's good to know we've passed review, anyway.

 

December 1, 2007 (6:20 PM)

OK, tell me not to worry...I probably won't listen, but tell me anyway. I talked to our realtor today, and she told me that the guy selling the lot (who has a covenant on the lot that he has to approve our house plans) wants changes to our plans. She doesn't know what yet, though - she was supposed to get an e-mail yesterday and didn't. What if it's something expensive or something we really don't like? I'm trying not to think too hard about it, but I'm afraid it's going to drive me crazy till I find out...

December 6, 2007

Well, the answer back on the architectural review is worse than I had imagined. Our agent is trying to work a couple of different angles, but I think the bottom line is going to be that we can't afford to build on this lot. Here's what they want:

1) The character of the house must match existing homes in the subdivision (whatever that means - we think mostly it means bigger)
2) Two car garage (we weren't planning to build a garage)
3) Increase in pitch of roof
4) Dormers
5) Porch not adequate (I don't think we could change the porch without completely changing the house)
6) Vinyl of higher grade
7) Landscape plan to be reviewed (never mind that the lot is so thickly forested you can't even see the lay of it)

They also want a formal working set of plans and specifications. So even if we could afford all of these many thousands of dollars of additions, there is no way we are going to make all these changes, get them to approve it, and get the well drilled by closing on January 5. We're screwed. And there are NO other lots we can afford in this school district right now.

 

December 7, 2007

Well, I think we may play the ADA card...as Bob points out, changing the porch would make it much harder to get a ramp up to the front door. And having a two-car garage would be pointless, because we couldn't get Laurel out of the car and into the house unless we took up one of the spaces with a ramp and parked the other car outside. We also suspect that a good chunk of their objection to the "character" of the house is that it's a ranch house, which is of course what it needs to be for accessibility reasons. I'm going to contact my friends at the local agency that handles ADA complaints and see what they think.

Some of the rest of what's asked for is just stupid. The thing has a massive roof already and would look idiotic with a steeper pitch. We think the dormers are because they just can't stand the idea of it looking like a ranch house. And there is NOTHING anywhere that I can find that says we should have to have a landscape plan approved before we build, only before we landscape. The two houses that are complete have minimal landscaping. I personally think the guy is just trying to be an obstructionist snob. I re-read the covenants last night and see that he and/or his assignees are the architectural review board until EVERY lot is sold (then it passes to the HOA). I suppose, what should I have expected from a guy who named the road after himself...

Anyway, I don't know how far we can get - it IS still his land, after all - but if we don't get this, it won't be for lack of trying. 

December 12, 2007

So, I guess the house thing is going to come down to whether or not the guy is willing to compromise on our not building a garage. I contacted the folks at the agency that deals with ADA issues and didn't feel all that positive about their response - this is what the director said:

"If you can demonstrate that the prohibitions stem from a bias towards disability and accessibility, I think you have a case. You are in somewhat uncharted territory. VOPA may be able to provide information on case histories, if any, and that would be helpful. I'll try to do some more research as well.
"It would certainly be an interesting case. It's possible that the threat of a lawsuit might bring closure, but you shouldn't file just as a threat--you need to be prepared to follow through."

Well, I doubt that I can prove intent, so that doesn't seem too promising. Meanwhile, the builder has worked up prices for us, and it would be ~$14,000 for the porch (it turned out they didn't want it that much bigger, and he was able to design it to work with the ramp), dormers, and roof (he forgot to include the price of the upgraded vinyl...I'm hoping we're not talking more than a couple thousand). BUT, adding a garage would be another $29,000! Well, that is a total deal-breaker for us. Bob was up half the night just worrying about how we could pay for the $14,000, but another $29,000 on top of that is just out. Not to mention, as I said before, it's not like we could park both cars in it anyway, since we'd have to build a ramp in part of it for it to be any actual use to us. So we just can't see spending another $29,000 just to make this guy happy. We can barely see spending $14,000. Bob was ready to call the whole thing off last night and wanted me to argue him out of it, but I'm sick to death of that pattern - Bob going negative, me having to argue, we do it ALL the time - and refused. He seems to have managed to reconcile himself to the $14,000 (+ siding) on his own.

So where we are now is that our real estate agent is going to go back to their real estate agent and see if she can get a verbal agreement to the porch, dormers, roof, siding, but not the garage. She says she wants to have this settled by the end of the week and we're totally with her on that. This is just trashing our holiday spirit! My back has been killing me and I am just dying to move ASAP - I feel like I'm really reaching my limit for being able to care for Laurel in our current house. If this falls through, we are back to either having to move Laurel out of the school she is doing so well in or waiting till another lot shows up. Please send some prayers, positive vibes, whatever that the guy gets hit with a bit of Christmas spirit and goes for the compromise...

 

December 17, 2007

No compromise on the house so far...

Apparently the issue is that they think the footprint is too small, so they don't care if we build a garage per se but we have to build a garage-sized thing. But here's the ridiculous part - the footprint of the bigger house of the two that have been built is only 200 sq ft more and 3 feet wider! (Most of the 200 sq ft, as Bob put it, is that "their rectangle is more filled in." And about 700 sq ft is the garage.) Can you believe this?? Do they seriously think someone is going to go out there with a tape measure? We have the builder working on overlaying the house plans to demonstrate how ridiculous this is. I also sent our real estate agent a bunch of links to studies that show that even things like public housing and group homes don't lower the price of neighboring houses - so it's damn unlikely that a slightly smaller ranch house will. Are there really people out there like that? "Ooh, Harold, I don't think we can buy that house. Did you see what was down the street? There was a RANCH HOUSE!" If this weren't my life, it would be funny.

Our real estate agent is also trying to arrange a face-to-face meeting. What do you think, do we bring in the little girl in the wheelchair? I worry that she might not be able to stick out a long, boring meeting with a bunch of adults. I don't want her to be a disruption. But at the same time, darn it, she's what it's all about.

 

December 20, 2007

We're on for a meeting with the lot owner at 2 PM tomorrow. Our real estate agent said she definitely wants Laurel there, so we will need to pull her out of school a bit early. I will talk to her about how important the meeting is - when we have really, really stressed to her that she needs to behave, she usually tries to (she is such a good kid!). I'm relieved that we've gotten a meeting - their agent hadn't been able to reach the owner and we were really worried that he had gone for the holidays. Or had just decided the heck with us. The fact that he is willing to drive up here from Richmond (which it turns out is where he lives) indicates some willingness to listen to us, I think. So wish us luck - I'll be sure to update tomorrow afternoon!

 

December 21, 2007 (4:02 PM)

Well, I'm back from the meeting but I still don't know... we did get them to concede on the garage. It turns out that the Architectural Review Board is three people consisting of the owner of the property, his younger relative who built the largest house in the development on spec and is building a second one, and the real estate agent. The sticking point, it turns out, is the younger relative. He spent a bunch of the meeting nitpicking the design of the roof over the porch (which of course looks the way it does because he insisted on the bigger porch) and the slope of the roof, but I thought that those were all we would have to deal with and it looked like we were winding down to an agreement for another review for those two items and the landscaping plan and pushing back the closing date when all of a sudden, he said, "Wally [that's the owner], you said when we started building these homes that you wanted homes in the range of $500,000 - $650,000. [Or maybe it was $550,000 - $700,000, I can't remember for sure.] Do we think that this home will sell for that much? Because you know, if we let in a house that is worth less, it'll drop the selling price of the other houses in the neighborhood." At which point, I'm afraid I exclaimed, "It will not!" And he says, "Oh, yes it will." And I said pretty angrily, "There are studies that show that you can even build a group home or a housing project and it won't affect the price of the neighboring houses!" but he shut me down, saying "Well, everyone has an opinion." So, now it's come to this: their realtor is running comps (that is, looking at comparable houses to see what they sold for), and our realtor is running comps. If it can be proven that our house is likely to be expensive enough, we're on to another round of review. If not, we're out. I feel like we're in some bad reality show. I think maybe the real estate agent is Paula (he really didn't seem to have any issues), the owner is Randy and the younger relative is Simon. The good news is that they're supposed to give us a decision by the end of the afternoon, so we will hopefully be out of limbo soon. I'm so aggravated, I'm not even sure if I care right now - since if we make it through this round, it means at least one more round with Mr. Personality. Who is not willing to let ANY detail wait till later - our builder tried to convince him that it might be easier to decide how the porch roof should look after the rest of the house was built, but no can do. Nor is he willing to concede that a landscape plan is virtually impossible to do if you can't see the topography. But, I guess it's still easier than waiting for another lot in the school district to come around...

 

December 21, 2007 (8:31 PM)

Bob called and said the realtor called him and they have not been able to reach a decision yet. They're supposed to get back to us tomorrow. Our realtor was only able to come up with one comp, it was for $520,000 house + land. She tried to put some more sympathy thoughts in their realtor's head, but I don't think it will matter - I think the problem is the younger relative/builder, and he wouldn't know sympathy if it laid its head on his lap.

I just found another lot (that I swear wasn't there a couple of days ago) in our school district for $30,000 more. If we take all the crap back off of the house that they've made us put on, we could just about afford it - and who knows, maybe these folks would be willing to bargain on price. I'm feeling sorely tempted to just say the heck with this one and try for that one instead, even if they tell us yes tomorrow. It looks like it's a single lot split off a larger one (i.e. not in a subdivision), so maybe a lot less heartache...

 

December 22, 2007

So it got to be 8:30 PM today and still no word on the lot...and Bob and I just went with the feeling that had been building all day and I called and left a message for our realtor on her cell phone that we are walking away from the lot. Enough already, don't want to play Calvinball when only one player gets to make up any of the rules. We drove out to that other lot today, and you know, it's not bad. We don't love it quite as much as the other and it'll be a longer commute, but we've seen way worse - and at this point, not having to deal with Mr. I-Can't-Get-Over-Myself = priceless. So that's it - not settled the way we had thought we wanted (well, the way we WOULD have wanted if we were dealing with normal, reasonable people), but I think now it's for the best. Come the new year, we'll see what we can see about the other lot - when I reread the listing I saw that the acreage is supposed to be adjustable according to the desires of the purchaser (and is listed as five acres - what it is is a proposed subdivision of a larger lot), so it might possible to get a bit less acreage and pay the same or less as we would have paid for the other lot. But that's a question for later...right now, I just want to spend some part of my Christmas season not suffering from angst over a $#!%*!! lot.

 

December 31, 2007

Turned out not to matter that we decided to pull out of the lot, because just a few hours before we left for Minnesota on Sunday, they finally called to say that we were denied! "They're welcome to come back with another plan," said the other real estate agent to ours. "No, thanks," said ours sweetly. Honestly, by then I was just relieved, since now it is all on them and they have to give our $1000 back with no argument. I figure on Wednesday we'll call our agent and see if she's made any progress with learning about the other lot I found.

Trip to Minnesota went OK, although we're all in some stage of being sick and we had major delays in both directions. We didn't get home until after 3 AM last night! But it was good to see everyone, and Laurel was a champ - although she indicated that from her perspective, it wasn't worth it, and I can see that - looking at it from her point of view, it was mostly pretty boring. We'll have to try harder to come up with things that she finds interesting when we go back for Bob's parents' 50th wedding anniversary in August...

 

 
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